I'm fed up of all the allegations and
我受够了所有的指控，
and so I decide that I'm going to put
所以我决定
forward my facts and let the people
提出我的事实，让人们来
decide s has been linked to up to 30
决定。S与多达30起
murders and confessed to 10 but in the
谋杀案有关，他承认了10起，但在
years that have followed he has
随后的几年里，他 已经
retracted all of those confessions SRA
撤回了所有供词 SRA
will have his version of events
将对他的事件版本
challenged former detectives will pursue
提出质疑 前侦探将追查
all of the existing evidence against him
所有现有的针对他的证据
and a forensic psychologist will conduct
法医心理学家将进行
a full psychological profile to
全面的心理分析以
determine whether sub is a psychopath
确定 sub 是否是精神病患者
and remains a d to
并且
society over his lifetime saage has been
在他的一生中是否对社会产生影响 萨奇已
convicted of two murders he remains the
被判犯有两起谋杀案，他仍然是
prime suspect in eight others with his
另外八起谋杀案的主要嫌疑人，他的
name associated with up to 30 deaths
名字与多达 30 起死亡事件有关，
yeah Charles S but this investigation
是的，查尔斯·S，但这次调查
will focus on the murders saage is most
将重点关注与萨奇关系最密切的谋杀案，
closely connected
to so our experts will be looking at
因此我们的专家将调查
accusations that you drugged murdered
以下指控 1975 年，你
and disposed of five victims in Thailand
在泰国用毒品谋杀并处理了 5 名受害者，
in
1975 that's a lot of imer
这可真是太多了，
yeah please can I ask you a
是的，我可以问你一个
question yes am I permitted to ask you a
问题吗？是的，我可以问你一个
question from where are you taking this
问题吗？你从哪里得到这个
number you are
数字？你
exactly as
也是被
many the victim of brainwashing by the
洗脑的受害者吗？ 经过
media I welcome to be confronted with
我欢迎媒体与
those
expert only I I request
专家面对面，我要求
that confront me with with the best of
与
in each field the best
各个领域最优秀的专家面对面
one and I will face them and they can
，我将与他们面对面，他们可以
ask me any
问我任何
question I will reply we're going to
问题，我都会回答，我们将
focus on five victims in Thailand Teresa
重点关注五个 泰国的受害者 Teresa
nson came from America she was going to
nson 来自美国，她准备
join a Buddhist sect in uh kandu
加入 uh kandu 的一个佛教派别，
followed by Vitali hakee Turkish
其次是 Vitali hakee 土耳其
gentleman he had a girlfriend called
绅士，他有一个女朋友叫
Stephanie p
Stephanie p，
here we have Hank B Tanger traveling
这里是 Hank B Tanger
with his girlfriend Cornelia known as
和他的女朋友 Cornelia 一起旅行，Cornelia 被称为
cocky these were a Dutch couple you have
自大，他们是荷兰人 你们夫妇有
cr seen photos there is it important to
看到照片吗？向
show them it's important to show them
他们展示这些照片很重要，
because we talk about death this is the
因为我们谈论死亡，这是
reality of death they were live and
死亡的现实，他们是活着的、
vibrant young
充满活力的
people sadly these victims have been
年轻人，可悲的是，这些受害者已被
forgotten but we are going to not forget
遗忘，但我们不会忘记
the victims in this program now in this
这
book there is a mass of detail for each
本书中对每个谋杀案都有大量的细节描述，
of those murders as to how he met them
比如他如何遇到他们，
how he conveyed them to the deposition
如何把他们送到证人证言的
site what he did with the bodies and
地点，他如何处理尸体，而
that detail is only known by the killer
这些细节只有凶手自己知道，
did you rob people robbing yes I did did
你 抢劫 抢劫 是的，我抢劫了
you drug people yeah I did did you take
你给人下药了吗 是的，我 你有没有拿走
their passports I did when you were were
他们的护照？我在你接受采访时拿走了他们的护照。你
interviewed for the book there are
confessions to a number of murders which
承认了多起谋杀案，但
you say you didn't do were you not
你说你没有做过这些，因为你不
concerned about the ramifications that
担心这些后果
could lead you to subsequently okay here
可能会导致你随后
let me
explain
Richard nil he said you don't worry
理查德·尼尔，他说你不用担心，
because I will write that it is
因为我会写下它被
alleged or suspect it when you and when
指控或怀疑它，当你和
the book was released I read it then at
这本书出版时，我读了它，然后
that time what I did I call n I'm sorry
当时我做了什么，我打电话给我，我很抱歉
to use this words I told n you
用这个词 告诉你
mother you told me so and so but you
妈妈你告诉我这样那样，但你
wrote In the book that that thing I want
在书里写道，我
to show you some photographs of people
想给你看一些人物的照片，
and I want to if you can remember
我想知道你是否还记得
whether or not you met them this is a
你是否见过他们这是
picture of Teresa Nolton did you ever
特蕾莎·诺尔顿的照片 你曾经
meet her I cannot say that I met her or
见过她吗？我不能说我见过她或者
I didn't meet her what I want to do is
我没见过她。
ask you whether or not you have met this
我想问的是，你是否见过这个
man Bali hakeim Turkish man do you know
男人，巴厘岛哈克姆，土耳其男人，你认识
him that no I don't know him never met
他吗？不，我不认识他 从来没有见过
him do you know and in this case my
他，你知道吗，在这种情况下，我的
Madame the police themselves they stated
夫人，警察自己，他们
in the in their F in the Indian court
在印度法庭上说
that the father came before the police
父亲来到警察
commission and stated that my son is
委员会面前说我的儿子还
alive did you have his
活着，你有他的
passport did you have his passport no I
护照吗，你有他的护照吗，没有，我
didn't have his pport you've never met
没有他的支持，你以前从未见过
him before yeah okay this person
他，好吧，这个人
Stephanie Parry is a friend of Vali
是 Stephanie Parry 的朋友 Vali
hakeim did you meet
hakeim 你见过
her no I I don't remember having met her
她吗？不，我不记得见过她，
you've never met her because again I
你从来没见过她，因为我
repeat I have so many customers sure
再说一遍，我有很多顾客，肯定
this is the photograph of
这是
henriquez and his girlfriend Cornelia
henriquez 和他的女友 Cornelia 的照片，她
known as cocky do you know
被称为自大，你
them well I don't remember the
很了解他们吗？ 我不记得
fais there so long but this couple I met
fais 在那里待了多久，但这对夫妇我
them first in Hong Kong and when they
第一次在香港遇到他们，当他们
learned that I was a j dealer I told
得知我是珠宝商时，我告诉他们我是
them a gem dealer then they wanted to
一名宝石商，然后他们
buy some gems what were the gems that
想买一些宝石，
they were interested in I don't remember
他们对什么宝石感兴趣 我不记得
you are asking something of 50 years
你问的是50年以上的事情，
more than 50 years the thing is Charles
问题是查尔斯，
that you have a very good memory about
你对
certain things very good memory but on
某些事情记忆力很好，记忆力很好，但
other things when I put it to you your
其他事情，当我告诉你你的记忆力时，你的
memory Fades your memory FS no it's not
记忆力就会减弱，FS没有 这不是
fail I say
失败，我说的是
exactly the fact has faded because you
事实已经消失，因为你
gave them your visiting card they came
给了他们你的名片 他们
to see you they bought to buy some Stone
来看你了，他们买了一些石头，
did they come you are telling me which
他们来了吗，你告诉我哪块
Stone I I cannot tell you but like I
石头，我不能告诉你，但就像我
said sometimes I'm going to suggest you
说的，有时候我会建议你，
you have stive memory that question
你有记忆，
you're asking me nobody had asked me
你问我的那个问题，没有人问过 我
before what kind of stone the bo nobody
之前什么样的石头博没有人
this is the first time this book speaks
这是这本书第一次说话
let me just do a little bit of talking
让我在这里说一点点
here because you do a lot of talking if
因为你说了很多如果
you don't mind me saying Charles what is
你不介意我说查尔斯什么
very very difficult to understand is why
很难理解 就是为什么
anybody anybody there intell no you let
有人在那里，没有人，请让
me finish please if you let talking let
我说完，如果你让我说话，让
me explain you let me I ask you the
我解释一下，让我问你这个
question Char let me ask you the
问题，Char，让我问你这个
question somebody as intelligent as you
问题，像你这样聪明的人，
why do you implicate yourself in this
为什么你要把自己牵连到这
book and how you met these people all of
本书里，以及你是如何 见过这些人，
these people Teresa okay but why would
特蕾莎，好吧，但你为什么要
you implicate now let me please ask the
牵连到现在，请让我问
question why would you tell somebody for
一下，你为什么要为了
$20,000 and sell your soul why would you
20,000 美元而出卖你的灵魂，你为什么要
sell your soul for
为了 20,000 美元出卖你的灵魂，
$20,000 why yes I my
为什么是的，我
relationship my relation after with Rich
与 Rich 的关系
when the book appear because I didn't
当这本书出现的时候，因为我不
agree to what he wrote Madam I've told
同意他写的内容，女士，我已经告诉过
you already that I you said let me just
你了，我 说让我
ask now it is to you to believe me
问一下现在你应该相信我
listen I am telling you my part now it
听我说我现在要告诉你我的部分现在
is to you to believe me or not believe
你应该相信我或不相信
me yeah it is madam yeah don't get too
我没错女士没错不要太
excited Paul Brittain is a leading
激动保罗·布里顿是一位领先的
forensic psychologist he has Decades of
法医心理学家 他有几十年
experience interviewing serial killers
采访连环杀手的经验，
and assisting the police in high profile
并协助警方
murder investigations such as that of
调查
Fred and Rose West the plan is for him
弗雷德和罗斯韦斯特等备受瞩目的谋杀案。计划让他
to join the investigation to produce a
参与调查，制作
psychological profile of sabrage and
萨巴雷奇的心理档案，并
determine if he's a dangerous psychopath
确定他是否是一个危险的精神病患者
psychologist Paul Britain is Keen to
心理学家保罗 英国热衷于
further explore the importance of drugs
进一步探索毒品
in the execution of sbr's
在执行 sbr
crimes how would you select how would
罪行中的重要性，你会如何选择，
you decide who you would sleep in that
你会如何决定你会睡谁，
way mostly I would have taken
大多数情况下我会选择
uh what I I call those victims yes but
呃，我称之为受害者，是的，但
which I call let's say clients to make
我称之为客户
it simple right but in discussion may I
简单点，对吧，但在讨论中我可以
stop you for and thank you um because
打断你吗，谢谢你，因为
it's not an easy thing to do you have
这不是一件容易的事，你
used the term quite correctly of victims
非常正确地使用了受害者这个词
and yes you mentioned clients but the
，是的，你提到了客户，但
measurement of dosage is quite a
剂量的测量是一门相当
difficult
困难的
discipline and it's so easy to get it
学科， 很容易
wrong and that is something that must
出错，而且 一定是
have happened with you from time to time
你时不时遇到的事情，那么
well how do you deal with that nobody
你如何处理没有人
has died from drugs from my drugs but
死于我的药物，但这
it's quite a a difficult Enterprise to
是一个相当困难的企业，让
put yourself in well what what I did I I
你自己置身其中，我做了什么，我
read some pharmacal books and then also
读了一些药学书籍，然后也
I try those drugs not on me on on some
我尝试了那些药物，不是在我身上，而是在一些
of the heppes that I ask okay because
我问过的病人身上，因为
they're taking drugs I will then uh as
他们在服用药物，然后我会呃，
them for example okay when you take SE
比如当你服用 SE 时，
they do do this okay take it and you you
他们会这样做，好的，服用它，然后你
tell me then I will look at my watch so
告诉我，然后我 我会看我的手表，所以
you use them as guinea pigs yeah exactly
你用它们作为实验对象，是的，
okay we'll leave that there then for the
好的，我们就暂时把它留在那里，
moment okay thank you very much indeed
好的，非常感谢，
please even though he's nearly 80 do you
尽管他已经快 80 岁了，你
think there are signs there that suggest
认为有迹象表明
he's still a dangerous
他仍然是一个危险的人
man this is a
这个人
man who
still believes that unless the world
仍然相信，除非
those around him can provide what he
他周围的世界能够提供他
believes is his right he will find a way
认为是他的权利，否则他会找到一种方法
to take it that's what I would
来夺走它，这就是我所
expect so
期望的，非常
dangerous I would not want to say he's
危险，我不想说他
not
不
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dangerous
危险